Peels vs Microinfusion: How to Choose Your First Treatment

Take your time. Every single step you take is taking you closer to your goals.

One step in front of the other.

And take a photo because you will want to look back at this at some point. You will want to look back six months from now and a year from now, and many of our customers are two or three years away.

They're like looking at night and day. You look like it's 30 years younger: the spots are gone, the acne is gone, the lines are faded, and everything you're doing is moving you forward.

Don't feel like you have to do it all. Start slow, work into it, and get your skin nice and prepped. And then pick a peel, choose one of the microinfusions, or something like that.

What can be really confusing is that you want to get on a regimen, peels, and microneedling. What do you do first?

Right.

You know, which one do you start with? Do you alternate them? Do you do a series of these, then another series? And then each situation can be a little unique, depending.

Let's touch base on that if somebody is looking to dive in and do something. How do they decide? How do they decide what to start with?

Yeah. Well, I mean, there are a couple of factors to think about. Like, let's say you're pregnant, you're going to be spending time in the sun, or you don't have time to do a bunch of prep work.

Yeah.

Then you might want to choose microinfusion.

Right.

Right? Because of something like this, it doesn't matter if you're pregnant. There's this: we're not putting acids or anything on.

These are all really good healing ingredients. Similar to what you would put on topically, nothing to be alarmed about. So you could totally use this if you are pregnant.

You could use this a lot of times; people choose this in the summertime, right? Because even though maybe their goal isn't to get a tan, they know they're going to spend some time in the sun.

Of course.

I do gardening, I'm out with the kids, we go on the boat, whatever. They're going to get sun.

Yeah.

And they're concerned because with peels, you really want to stay out of the sun.

For sure.

Because you're more prone to sunburn, and you have to really shade yourself and stuff. So I think that would be a great time to start.

Or let's say you're on a pretty good regimen but don't have everything we're recommending. You don't have an acid in there, and your skin's not all even and prepped for a peel. But you want to get started like immediately.

Well, you could totally get started with this. There is no real prep with this. The only thing you have to do is, like, stop using a retinoid a couple of days before, just for sensitivity reasons.

But you could totally get started on this immediately, and…

So that…

I think that’s a super easy start.

That is going to be really good for somebody who wants to, even, let's say, start with a peel. But then they get sad when we tell them that they have to pre-treat with Fade Bright.

For four weeks.

It's like four weeks seems very, very long when you're ready to jump in. So this is a good option because you can pre-treat with your Fade Bright for those four weeks.

You could still be pre-treating for your peels.

And you can still do a microinfusion treatment.

Exactly.

And then they feel like, and they are, they are actually starting the process, getting in there, and getting these ingredients. And how much deeper do they go with the micro?

It's like 80%.

That is a considerable number.

80%.

That's amazing.

Yeah. It’s crazy.

So they could really see some results, even as they happened.

Yeah. After a couple of treatments, I mean, absolutely.

Yeah.

You know, we always say like 90 days and stuff for fundamental changes, but after you do a couple of these, if you're taking your photos, as you should, always take a photo before you start a new regimen or a new product.

If there's something you really want to see change, take a picture every single month so you can compare. Because you only remember what you look like from the last time you looked in the mirror, honestly.

You do not remember what you looked like three months ago. Nobody does. So you really have to take photos, and you're going to see changes pretty quickly, like with this.

A lot of times, people will see lines that look a little less deep or just fuller, more glowy skin.

I've heard the feedback of they look more glowing and have more texture.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. Because this is just stimulating.

Yeah.

This is, I mean, your 0.5 mm is not like super deep when you're looking at it, but it is deep. It's going deep into your skin, and it's really stimulating changes, right? That's called collagen induction therapy for a reason.

Absolutely.

Super anti-aging. Another thing that does collagen induction is a TCA peel, which we have right here. Chemical peels are excellent, but you do have to prep for a peel.

You do.

So we say four weeks, and we want you on a good regimen, and we want you on a regimen that has acids that are going to like even the layers of dead skin.

It makes sure everything's nice and even. We want you on antioxidants. We want you to use retinoids and SPF.

Like those are key, key things that you have to be using. And like a melanin inhibitor, like that's recommended for everybody, but it's like mandatory.

If you're already dealing with hyperpigmentation, or if you're in the range of Fitzpatrick three, four, or you're like Asian, Italian, those kinds of things, where you have a more olive skin tone and are darker, you must prep with a melanin inhibitor for at least 4 weeks.

So that's a long time to wait to get started. And then you do have to be careful because we get like where I was mentioning pregnancy, like anybody can do this.

Some acids are perfectly safe during pregnancy. Like, Lactic is safe. Glycolic is safe. Mandelic is safe.

Right.

That's really it. Like, Salicylic is a no. TCA is a no. And Jesner is a no.

So you really couldn't do those if you were pregnant. You can do one of the milder peels we mentioned, or something like this.

And that's why I mentioned that, because a lot of ladies who are pregnant all the time, we're filling the world.

We had a lovely pregnant lady in our lobby yesterday. We had a charming lady who was pregnant, and she bought some mandelic acid.

Yeah. That's a great one.

We also discussed the microinfusion line.

Yes. And all of the infusion serums and stuff that we have can be done safely.

Yeah.

There are all kinds of problems with that. But yeah, with this, you have to prep. And let's one is most definitely not better than the other. I think they work so well together.

Sure.

And that's where you get people who are like, ‘Well, I want to do both.’

Yeah.

Righ? ‘So how long do I wait?’

Okay. So here's like a Lactic peel, and here's the TCA peel. Let's say you want to mix and match things. ‘I want to do a peel, then do my micro infusion. How long do I wait?’

Yeah.

Right? My rule of thumb is always to follow the recommendations from the last treatment you did, whatever it is.

Yeah. For sure.

So if you did a Lactic acid peel last, you can do this one time every one to two weeks, so minimum one week. So if you do this and a week goes by, and you can do another one of these, you can do a different kind of peel, you can do micro infusion, whatever you want.

Got it.

So that's all you have to do. Let's say, ‘Well, I did this peel, and then I decided I wanted to do a TCA peel.’

Okay. Well, your week went by. You did your TCA peel, you did a couple layers, and now you just have to look at your manual.

Yeah.

‘How long do I have to wait before I can do another one of these?’

For sure.

Well, and it says four weeks. That doesn't mean that you can do one of these in two weeks or in a week, or do this.

You have to wait 4 weeks because that's the recommended time for this product.

Right.

So now that four weeks are over, you can do whatever you want. You can do another one of these. You can do a Lactic or a microinfusion.

Absolutely.

So, if you pick the micro infusion or what are the recommendations for this product? So it really depends on how aggressive you are, but in our directions, two weeks is kind of your light one.

And by light, we mean just going over the face one time.

Yeah. You weren't super aggressive. If you went over your face…

Three, four times.

Four or five times, and you're red, like you had something done at a spa or something. You might want to wait three or four weeks.

I agree. Yeah.

So I think most people are usually about two weeks, right? So you can do that. You can do another one in two weeks. I feel like a lot of people like alternating TCA and needling.

Yeah.

So I'm kind of like, going, ‘Well, let's keep this as a monthly thing.’ Like, do your TCA and then 30 days; do one of these, and then, two weeks later, do another one of those.

So you kind of get like two treatments, then move to your TCA again, wait your 30 days, and then do that. And then in two weeks, do that again. I'm finding like, that's a nice option.

Some other people with the milder peels, I've been like, it doesn't have to be one, one, one, one. You could do two or three of these and then two or three of these. I'm like, it's just, you can do anything you want.

Yeah.

Just follow the rule and wait long enough.

Yeah.

And that's like, some people recommend different things out there, and ‘Oh, you want to wait this long for this, and this long for this.’

It's much safer to follow what you did last time. I mean, what if you had an IPL treatment at your medical spa?

Right.

Well, you have to ask them, ‘When can I get another one of these done?’

‘Oh, you're going to have to wait six weeks.’

Okay. Well, you have to wait six weeks.

Yes. To do anything.

To do anything.

Yeah.

In six weeks, you can do your needling, your peel, or whatever you want to do at home. And cause some of those treatments have longer wait times.

Yeah.

And it's like whenever you can do another one of those, you can do anything you want.

It's a common question.

It's every day. And I have a lovely chart. If you ever go on Facebook and you're a Platinum Skin Care Guru, you'll see a beautiful thing right there in the pinned featured posts.

And it's got the rules, and it says like how many weeks for a mild peel, this one, needling, all that kind of stuff. It just tells you to be safe, do them all. Because I think it's wonderful to do more than one thing.

Keep your skin guessing…

Yeah. Mix it up.

…changing, and getting better and better all the time. Yeah.

And if you are on a budget, this is an excellent feature on our website: we offer payment plans at checkout.

We do.

That is amazing. And that really does help when I'm the type of person who wants to buy all the things at once.

I want to make sure that I have everything I need. You know, if I plan to alternate these two, I like this, this, this, and that.

And get it all at once.

Yes.

And, you can do four payments or something like that. And we have PayPal's payment plan.

Okay.

We have Affirm, which is very popular. And then we have Klarna, which is really, really popular. Like, I feel like that's the biggie.

Sure.

But we also have the PayPal one, too. We have three payment methods for their payment plan options. And they're all really low payments, and one of them even says it as you shop on the website.

Oh, that's nice.

It’s Klarna. As you shop, it'll say, like you're looking at something, and then "Well, Klarna: 3 payments of $15.95." Like breaks it right down for you, so you know exactly what it is.

Little side note, international customers may not be able to use some of those plans. Klarna is limited to U.S. customers.

Yeah. But we're actually moving to a new global checkout system very soon. Just the last little fine-tuning. And they will offer items for each country.

I think they have about 15 countries that they can use things like Klarna and Affirm, and all that kind of stuff.

Oh, cool. Oh, that's fun.

So those will be available for our global customers soon.

Yeah. That’ll be helpful.

That'll be like super helpful for our global customers.

Excellent.

Yeah.

Okay. So if we have someone who is really, really struggling with pigmentation, and that is the main thing that they want to work on.

Yeah.

Which of these would you recommend that they start with first?

Well, of course, I would recommend Fade Bright first off.

Of course. Yes.

I want to recommend Fade Bright and Cell Intel as well. I'm sorry, because you need a daily product first.

Yeah.

Cell Intel to fix your DNA and Fade Bright.

Building blocks.

Or your staples.

Yes.

Right? So there's your everyday products. Then when you're in your treatments, we're looking at treatments here, and you have a couple of options, right?

It really depends on what kinds of downtime you're comfortable with and what you're not.

Like, if you want zero downtime, you actually have a couple of options. You could use the Exo-Spot with the micro infusion because, really, I mean, you might be a little bit pink that first day.

Okay.

And you're generally not even pink the next day. Your skin feels pretty standard. You could do something like that, or the Lactic 50 or the Mandelic 40.

Okay.

Those have just a hint of dryness. If you're okay with some good downtime, then I would suggest Jessner's.

Okay.

Right? Because those are going to work the best.

Got it.

You could still even start low with Jesner. You could put one layer on, see how that goes. You'll get a little bit of flaking, but not super intense. Like if you were doing two, three, four layers, you'll work your way up.

So yeah, like Exo-Spot with the micro infusion or one of those acids would be my go-tos.

Okay. Now, let's talk about scarring, if a customer has scarring.

Yeah.

They have a mixture, let's say. They have a few indentations and some overall acne scarring. What would you recommend?

So again, both sides are involved here: microinfusion with the PDRN and exosomes mixed is excellent for scarring, right?

Because you can even depress scarring, raise scarring, whatever you want, whatever you're dealing with, stretch marks, all those kinds of scars.

That can probably be done twice a month. You can go over those areas. And the PDRN is really good for scars. It also contains GHK-copper, which is good for scars. And then I really like exosomes for furthering things more quickly.

I would do that. And then, depending on your skin color and the type of scar. Let's prep accordingly, with like Fade Bright, the melanin inhibitor, hydroquinone, whatever you want.

I recommend TCA 30 if somebody has really light skin, like I'm a two. You know, someone like me, one, two, three. I would still like you to prep with the melanin inhibitor.

And then use the TCA 30. You can either put it on a bit of Q-tip and just go right on your scar. Or you could do the cross method if you have, like, depressed ice pick scars.

If you have darker skin, though, we obviously like to lower the percentage a bit. You can use a 20 or a 13 because it's not always about a super high percentage. You know, you can just use a lower rate and go safe and slow.

And then I would also recommend adding some daily coppers, like Super Cop 2X or Super CP Serum. I know it sounds like a lot, but you've got like multiple options there.

But it would really benefit them to alternate the two modalities. You're going to get a lot more action with that scar.

Yeah. And that's why I was so excited about this from the very beginning, when I was coming up with the PDRN one.

Because PDRN is so good at reducing scarring, and so is copper. That's why they're both in our PDRN serum.

It's amazing.

If you think about the CROSS, it's about saturating. Oh, I got like our little wooden picks here.

Yeah.

You take these little wooden picks, and we take the cotton off, and you dip it in your TCA, and you're poking it, causing a little pinch.

Yeah.

Well, what that really is is almost like a combination of needling, because needling helps break down scar tissue. That's why we're pushing it in there. We're helping to break down the scar tissue.

Just kind of rough it up a little bit, without causing bleeding.

We don't want to bleed, but this is like a combination of needling and peeling at the same time.

Whereas here's real needling. And so you can do, I mean, I just want to stress, though right now, because I said that don't, don't needle with like an acid.

I never want to say to do that. As clear as day on our boxes, our directions, that you never, ever want to do a peel and then needle, and you never want to needle and then do a peel.

I just want to keep those separate. You know, peels work from the top down, and needling works from the bottom up. So please don't combine those.

Yes.

Alternate those.

Yeah.

Alternate. Do your needling, wait your two weeks. Do your peel, wait for your four weeks. Whatever works best for you.

Now, what if somebody is just working on overall anti-aging?

Yeah.

They want tightening, they want to reduce fine lines and wrinkles, crow's feet, all of those things.

I love peels. Obviously, I love TCA for anti-aging. I usually recommend the 7 or the 13. You can use milder acids, too, don't get me wrong, but I feel like you're really going to get it. If your lines are bothering you, I feel like you should probably jump into the TCA.

Yeah.

And if you're a little bit scared, just do the 7, start with one layer.

Yeah.

That's very mild. And then add layers as you see fit. I think you did a five-layer peel in one of our peel parties.

Yeah, our peel party.

And it was fine. It was not bad at all.

And again, you can totally do needling, and you can get close to the eyes too. Like with the TCA, you can do the 7 right on the eyes.

We have our TCA peel eye video. I want to mention that. So that's on the eyes and the crow's feet area. You can get pretty close. Follow along with that video for safety.

You can get pretty close with needling, too. You know, like you have your orbital bone.

Yeah.

So you don't want to get closer than your orbital distance. I mean, but that's pretty close. Like, I could feel that.

When I was needing, you could watch our demonstration video too, I just want my finger where I don't want to go any closer, and then you can get as close as you want.

Right.

You know, you're not going to hit your eye.

What about on the lid? Like the upper lid?

You could do the upper, like around your eyebrows, but that's, again, that's your orbital bone.

You can feel your orbital bone; don't go below it. You don't want to go on your eyeball.

No.

Right? That's not good. We don't want to go on our eyeballs. But we can go as close as that orbital area.

And what about the neck?

You can totally do your neck. So if you're doing peels, be a little gentler, since your neck and décolleté are very reactive.

A little bit more sensitive.

So I either go for a lower percentage or fewer layers. I think 7 is great for the neck and décolleté.

And the needling, this can be done there too. You can do it from your forehead all the way down. You can do any area on your body.

For sure.

So there is no problem at all using this. And as to what like solution I would use, that's a toss-up.

No matter what I use, I would absolutely have the exosomes in there. It depends on whether you bought the kit, which comes with the EHR. I would mix this with the exosomes.

If you also bought the PDRN, I would like to mix all three of those or the PDRN and the exosomes.

They're all good. And just the whole like the whole act of needling itself is what's the benefit.

Now we're just pushing super beneficial ingredients and stimulators in there. But either two or three of those.

And keep in mind that the Alqemi line does have the "buy more, save more" built-in discount.

Yes. If you were to buy like the first discount, you could save up to 20%. I think that's with four or five items.

And if you're a VIP, you'll get an additional 10% off on top of that. So they save up to 30% off.

They can stack those, too.

Yeah.

That's nice.

So you could buy this pack, this, this, this, and this, and you're saving.

And you're still getting your reduced shipping, and yeah, that's amazing.

Yeah. You save a lot. So, like, these aren't eligible for coupons, but they have a built-in discount every single day.

So you are much better off purchasing multiples of these at a time. So if you think you want to use that serum and that serum, you should buy them all now.

Yeah.

And because you're going to get that bigger discount. And those discounts really add up. I mean, you're looking, it's like $38 off, 40-some dollars off.

Really.

It's a considerable discount. Like, it shows you right in the cart those that show as a discount. So you're really saving the more you buy with those.

Oh yeah. Many customers are purchasing the EHR, PDRN, and AD.

Oh yeah, the exosomes.

And they're mixing them, and they're getting great results with that.

Yes.

I recommend that a lot too.

Yes.

Absolutely.

Yes. Those are great.

So if you are on a budget and you have to choose one.

Micro infusion or peel serum.

You can't afford them both. And you just, you just have to make a decision. What do you recommend?

Yeah. And it sounds simple because peels technically are less expensive.

True.

But peels also require a 30-day prep period. And that's a regimen.

And time.

Yeah. So, time and a complete regimen. So if you already have an acid and antioxidants and melanin inhibitors and retinoids and all that, and you already have that, you're using that every day.

Yeah.

Then the peel would be the least expensive option.

Most cost-conscious.

Yes.

Yes.

That would, I mean, even the TCA. They're all $60 or something at the most. 20 something to $60. Super, super affordable.

And keep in mind how many treatments are getting from this. You know, six, if you're putting three-layer peels on. But like, if you're doing a one- or two-layer 12-or 18-peel from this box.

Yeah.

Super, super economical. Especially when you think about how much it would cost just to get one of those.

Oh my goodness.

Like just one TCA peel. I mean, here, like, and we're in Michigan, where things aren't costly. It's still hundreds of dollars. Probably at least $300 for one peel.

Yeah. For sure.

So no matter what, that's great. Now, let's say you don't have any of those products and your skin isn't prepped. Well, then it's going to be probably a little bit more costly to do a peel because you've got to build a regimen first and then do that.

And things like retinoids tend to be a bit more costly, so it might be more economical to do this.

Because that suite has everything they need to get started.

Yeah. And you're going to be able to do one, two, three, four, five, six treatments.

Yeah.

And whether you're doing it twice a month or once a month, it's anywhere from three to six months' worth of changes.

And we know we'll see changes. Like, these things are just amazing. And if you were to get a needling treatment, I mean, that's also hundreds of dollars.

They really are.

If you were to go anywhere else. So no matter what you choose, you are just saving oodles of money by having somebody do this for you.

And again, at the end of the day, we offer the payment options.

That's nice.

We do. We offer Affirm, Klarna, and PayPal so that you can spread the cost out however works best for you. And they actually give you options, so you can choose your payments based on what amount works for you.

Yeah. And they get support from us. You know, I mean, not every company offers that.

We are giving them so much education, not only on our website, but after they place their order, then we're sending them follow-up videos like, ‘Hey, you bought your TCA peel. Make sure you do this. Here's your public service announcement. Do this, don't do this.’

Yeah.

We're sending them educational videos immediately, and we're walking them through it.

And if they cannot find the answer to their question, of course, they can always phone us, call us, or go to the Facebook Guru group.

And even like the chatbot on the website is connected to our knowledge base.

Yeah, that's nice.

A lot of times, I see people who open a chat asking to speak with someone, and the answer has already been given. They just didn't read it. You know, like they have a little question, they get their response, and it's like, gives them a link here and writes it out.

Then they're like, ‘Need to speak to an agent.’ And finally, we get it and respond. And I'm like, I'm answering the same thing. I see the chatbot gave you the perfect response.

Right. Because it's pulling from our knowledge base. Our personal knowledge base, right? Not just Google's knowledge base, but Platinum Skin Care's knowledge base.

Yeah. So definitely use that chatbot on the website. We're not there chatting with you. The chatbot's talking with you.

And if you don't find the response you want, you can, of course, create an email ticket, and we'll respond within 24 to 48 hours.

Or like you said, go to the group. I'm in the Facebook group every single day. I check every single question every single morning. Try to respond if there's not a great response already, because other admins and things on there respond.

Of course.

And then, yeah, of course, email support@platinumskincare.com or phone us during business hours.

If someone is still unsure about where to start, has listened to this podcast, and is like, ‘Well, trying to figure it out and add up what this is and what that is, what are your tips?’

You don't have to do everything all at once, right? You just have to get started with something. And I find that a lot of times, even just starting with a couple of products.

I mean, like that acid cleanser and the retinoid. I mean, those two can transform your skin on their own. I mean, you can pick any moisturizer you want. You can pick any SPF you want.

Use one of our acid cleansers. After a couple of weeks, your skin will be different. Start with one of our retinoids.

And you can only start. You have to start slowly, right? You've got to ease into these things.

It's going to take time. It could take you up to four weeks before you're using that every single day. You know, start every other day or two to three times a week and work your way up.

You're going to see changes. Just take your time. Every single step you take is bringing you closer to your goals.

One step in front of the other.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And take a photo because you will want to look back at this at some point.

You will want to look back six months from now, a year from now. A lot of our customers are two or three years away.

They're like looking at night and day. You look 30 years younger, and the spots are gone, and the acne is gone. And the lines are faded, and there's just such massive changes.

And it's just a matter of everything you're doing is moving you forward. Don't feel like you have to do it all. You know, start slow. Work into it. Get your skin nice and prepped.

And then pick a peel, choose one of the micro infusions, or something like that. Pick a treatment that's going to really make a difference.

Like, I mean, just your daily regimen is going to make you change like crazy. But now, when you add on like a treatment, that's when you're really going to kick up a gear.

This is where that little consistency is key comes into play.

Consistency is key. And you just keep taking a picture every month, and you're going to see just insane changes.

It's just take your time. There's no rush. And you'll just keep adding. You just keep adding on something. Add a next.

And if you don't know what product to add next, and you have a list of products you have, email us. Go to the group, ask.

People do this all the time. Literally every day. Somebody's like, ‘I have these products, and I've been using them. And I want to add something else.’

Because like they're ready to add something else in. And then people chime in. ‘Oh, you've got to get this. You've got to get Fade Bright. You've got to get this. You've got to get that. We got to try this. You've got to. Are you doing the micro infusion? Did you do this?’

You know, people give them all these ideas, and then they're like, ‘Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm going to do that one next.’ And then they like to pick one; you don't have to do it all.

A smart study approach.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And if you have any other questions and you just don't know where to go or what to do, reach out to us.

Yep. We're here to help.

We are always here to help, support@platinumskincare.com.

Yep. And call us at 1-800-917-3155. That's Monday through Friday, 9 AM - 4 PM, 4:15-4:30.

Yeah.

Or visit us in the Facebook group, Platinum Skin Care Gurus.

Very active group.

Yes.

And you, the owner, are in there all the time answering questions. I mean, right there. That's gold. That's gold.

Yes. I am responding to everybody. Unless somebody else has a great answer, then I'd be like, "great answer" or "heart," whatever.

But hey, I will answer tons of them. That's my name. Jennifer Tilney. You'll see me.

Have a great day.

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